Sonic67 Publish time 26-11-2019 01:07:02

Usually. The only one I can think of that actually did anything was this one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6349027.stm

And that may or may not have had any effect.

Why do you think change.org is any more relevant than 38degrees, gopetition.com or adding a comment to The Gruniad or a like on Facebook?
Me? Personally not a fat lot. It was another main topic on Radio 5 so I think I will largely be leaving it down to the media etc.

nabby Publish time 26-11-2019 01:07:02

I like your honesty data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7

You should stand for Parliament...

IronGiant Publish time 26-11-2019 01:07:03

Probably a stupid question but I'll ask it anyway. Under PR, if we got 83 UKIP MPs how would it be decided which lucky constituencies would be represented by a Kipper?

Rasczak Publish time 26-11-2019 01:07:03

Voter levels were up in this election - 66.1% vice just 65.1% in 2010.

pragmatic Publish time 26-11-2019 01:07:03

It is entirely possible to be a democrat, and want the best/maximum expression of that possible (especially given strides in technology) without it bearing any relation to partisan politics.

In addition the SNP have called for PR in Westminster and still are at the last asking, even though 50% of the vote granted them near 100% of the voice in Scotland, the current system has 'worked' for them.

It is possible to be many contradictory things at once being human, but this is certainly not one of them.

brunation Publish time 26-11-2019 01:07:03

It's a single national constituency in those results. You could contact any one of them.

Edit: probably 4 national constituencies.

Pecker Publish time 26-11-2019 01:07:04

Under STV you have larger, super-constituencies.

Here's how it works:

http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/single-transferable-vote

Steve W

tapzilla2k Publish time 26-11-2019 01:07:04

Well I think the real issue is with the Political Class sitting in Westminster. They seem too detached from the real world. The political parties seem more like debating clubs than what they once were. Cameron had the better narrative which appealed to more people thus he won more of the votes.

It'll be interesting to see what you think when the 2020 election rolls around. As for the EU vote that could prove dangerous for Cameron in so many ways. But I guess you'll not care about that aspect as long as the vote happens.

Nigel Farage and a bowler hat. See Pecker's response for the serious answer.

Sonic67 Publish time 26-11-2019 01:07:05

Right or wrong I believe in democracy. We have a referendum, happy days, a victory for democracy. We elect to stay in the EU, happy days, the people were asked, they wanted it, our membership of the EU has legitimacy. Even better the EU might make some concessions to us as the UK government did to swing the Scottish vote on their referendum. Scotland nationalists ended up in a better position by having a referendum and losing it than not having one at all. We elect to leave. Happy days, it's what people want, and we will be doing what's best for the UK and not the EU in future. Whatever the outcome I see no downside.

Autopilot Publish time 26-11-2019 01:07:05

It's one of the biggest problems with PR. You can potentially lose local accountability and proper representation. From the little I know, you and up with a system of districts with multiple members and it can get complicated. I don't think anyone anywhere has come up with a definitive best way to manage how those districts are divided up.

It's not the magic fix that so many people seem to have discovered on Facebook in the last 48 hours. Its incredible, all these voting system experts have come out of the woodwork data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7

I would probably prefer PR on the whole, but all systems have their pros/cons.
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