Do you approve of President Donald Trump?

Steve N

Don't know what point you are trying to make!

My post was about;
I was commenting on people avoiding raising concerns because it's another country.


Incidently the link you provided makes the point that Hitler didn't win the "popular" vote.
Neither did Trump. Clinton got nearly 3 million more.
LINK

Sonic67

When the EU referendum result came in, there was a line that democracy was bad as democracy led to Hitler so the EU referendum was bad.

If you aren't making a connection then apologies.

Steve N

In answer to the OP
I voted No

I find it very disburbing that a man like Trump has managed to get to be in this position.

Pacifico

Democracy means that the people end up with what they want. Whether you personally think they  have made the right decision or not is irrelevant, so to advocate that the removal of the democratically elected leader is not undemocratic is untrue.

Pacifico

Thats because he was standing against a bad candidate - had the Dems put up someone better.

rancidpunk

If he's removed because of Impeachment, then there's nothing undemocratic taking place.

Steve N

Yup, I agree.
Bit like the UK really with TM vs JC

raduv1

No real opinion  of him TBH as he's not my president, it's  certainly compulsive viewing though .

Pacifico

Quite - if Labour put up someone electable May would be toast.

Toko Black

No it doesn't.
Democracy is an attempt to provide the people what they want.
It is limited by the particular framework of how the provision of democratic choice is applied.
ie the rules, the available candidates, the division of power.

Unless the people who are to vote actually decide and agree on the format of the vote, the number of candidates/options and the way power is divided, then essentially all you are getting is someone else's definition of a democratic vote, not the peoples.
Which also leads to an issue of reductio ad absurdum in that no matter how you set about deciding how to apply a democratic system, it will always rely on someone else's definition as they have to arrange to construct and apply the vote on the vote on the vote ad infinitum.

In simple terms, no democratic system is constructed democratically therefore they all carry an inherrent non democratic flaw that means they are only ever at best a reasonable attempt.

However, regardless of that philosophical point, most democracies have mechanisms and safeguards to allow the removal of a democratically elected leader or member on the basis of certain criteria.
Those mechanisms and safeguards are a fundamental part of the application of those democracies and therefore the removal of an elected leader or member by those processes is as fundamentally democratic as the system itself.
You can't declare a system democratic and then call a function of that system undemocratic as it is inherrent to that system.

Either the system itself is a flawed representation of democracy, or you couldn't actually do something undemocratic in the first place.