Should NHS workers get a pay rise?

Jezza99

I found it interesting that when the junior doctors went on strike recently, they got nothing like the level of public support they were evidently expecting. It was clear they were motivated by money, not the disingenuous claim of "safety", and made themselves look stupid for trying to deny it.

Hence them having to climb down and get on with the job they are being paid to do. If they want to go on strike again, let them get on with it, they will get little sympathy from the private sector workers who pay their wages.

ghrh

And they are now simply choosing to practice medicine elsewhere or do something else. They don't need to go on strike again. Aren't there more vacancies in the NHS now?

kilvil

if this was true, why are there more doctors and nurses in the nhs now than in 2010.

Greg Hook

I'm all for the NHS staff to get a pay rise, but isn't it true that they have been getting pay rises each year? There is a lot going about that makes you think they've had no rise whatsoever. Perhaps this could be confirmed?

Ruperts slippers

Yes, give them a rise but rewrite The Agenda for Change contract.

ChuckMountain

Wow, what a post!

If we lived in a world without inflation then that might be a very valid argument however we don't.

In that world we would all be paid one groat for the work we do and we could happily buy all our stuff.

The majority of people are paid to do a job and with realistic targets will achieve their expectations.  If they don't get a pay rise inline with inflation then that workforce will become progressively poorer as inflation continues to rise even at small percentages.

A smaller proportion may well exceed their expectations, but who is to say that they were again realistic, I have seen some shocking expectations that have either far too easy or at the opposite end impossible to achieve.  Those people exceeding may warrant a merit rise plus an inflationary rise.  However the next year do you then set harder expectations, as you shouldn't be able to continually exceed expectations, this leads to the question of promotion etc which again have harder expectations.

Example for arguments sake, person have to treat 20 patients a day, that person then treats 30 patients do they exceed their expectations so they get their pay rise, probably, but the fact people are now not getting rushed treatments means that the chance of them coming back is higher.

On the flip side those people not meeting their expectations get no additional pay.

We are in a never ending circle....

As the economy increases it drives inflation including wage inflation, which in turn drives an increase in tax receipts which can be used to fund the additional salaries of those paid by the government.

There are a lot of levers you can pull and tweak that will have impact on the economy.

The problem is that at the moment there appears not to be enough in the pot after paying for all the interest and debt repayments so something has to give.

Bl4ckGryph0n

There are more doctors in the NHS than ever before.

We get more doctors from overseas than leave.

If that reverses, then you might have a point.

ghrh

Wow what a reply....I’m glad you agree its a never ending circle in which nobody wins...

Great display of lack of imagination on how to measure performance; that is like how it may have been done 40 years ago but current day measurements can be much more sofisticated than the negative picture you are painting.

ChuckMountain

Is the population and demographic the same? Are treatments offered the same?

ghrh

The winners are the bankers

Why are my performance measures negative?  Ok am interested give me an example then ?

Quite a few companies are moving away from performance reviews all together as they deem them meaningless or too easily fixed ...