Man-made C02 = 4%

GasDad

If that's what you'd said I wouldn't have a problem.

However you said

There is a difference - and the difference is frankly rude and insulting.

MikeTV

You the one being rude and insulting. You called me "conceited and arrogant".

The skeptics that suggest that anyone who believes in AGW is an idiot, are being rude and insulting.

I have simply expressed scientific facts, and observed that skeptics are generally people with right-wing political views and/or evangelical christians or people connected to the energy industry (and I am more than happy to provide examples, if you want me to?).

And I make no apologies for that.

(ps. we can probably go on bickering about who said wotnot, for days, but I think I have addressed the points that were originally made (rather well in fact) so I probably won't bother. )

officerdibble11

The people that suggest that anyone who does not believe in AGW is an idiot, are being rude and insulting.

I have simply expressed scientific facts, and observed that beleivers are generally people with left-wing political views and/or tree huggers or people connected to the greenpeace/save the planet industry (and I am more than happy to provide examples, if you want me to?).

As you can see that type of irrational argument can cut both ways just as easily. Personaly im on the fence on this whole issue, but one thing is for sure the beleivers are sounding just a touch desperate  lately ........

MikeTV

Except that the people saying that AGW exists, are scientists, not political extremists. And that's the important distinction.

GasDad

That is a ludicrous statement that fails on so many levels of common sense.

GasDad

So you think tarring everyone who is a sceptic with the same brush, is an intelligent, well thought out argument.?

Oh now you are saying 'generally' rather than 'all'.

Make your mind up.

johntheexpat

Ahhh, you mean for example Arnold Schwarzenegger, that goddam commie of California  and George W Bush, that pinko tree hugging greenie commy s-o-b who recently spent some time in Washington DC

officerdibble11

that wasnt the point i was makeing, i was merely pointing out the futility of painting anyone with opposing views with the same broad brush. Do you also hold similar views on that subject to miketv ?

Bacardi

Snipped from another discussion but relevant to your point....

'A certain Tim  Mitchell with a geography degree, gets his climate science Phd at CRU...

responsible for Hadcru data sets, one of the three global datsets for reseachers to use and wrote the labyrinthine code for had cru 1.2, 2.0. Ipcc 2001 (manipulation, adjustement seen in harry_read_me.xtx)

write the cludge that is the code used on the datasets..
Lots of interesting hard coding, data integrity issues, etc..

"what did Tim do? - say Harry)

"An important part of my work is to develop climate data-sets. My intention is that these data-sets will then be used by researchers investigating the impacts of climate change. Here I provide access to these data-sets."

CRU TS 1.2 10′ Europe 1901-2000 time-series pre, tmp, dtr, vap, cld MITCHELL et al, 2003 this site
CRU TS 2.0 0.5° globe 1901-2000 time-series pre, tmp, dtr, vap, cld MITCHELL et al, 2003 this site
TYN SC 1.0 10′ Europe 2001-2100 scenarios pre, tmp, dtr, vap, cld MITCHELL et al, 2003 this site
TYN SC 2.0 0.5° globe 2001-2100 scenarios pre, tmp, dtr, vap, cld MITCHELL et al, 2003 this site"

Oh, and his supervisor for his Phd, is now Professor John Mitchell, being investigated for denying foi requests for his role in the hockey stick debarcle, in the previous ipcc report...

"Met Office blocked role of leading scientist in climate change row
The Meteorological Office is blocking attempts to reveal the role played by its top climate scientist in a controversial report on climate change. "
Met Office blocked role of leading scientist in climate change row - Telegraph...


Oh and he is also an evangelical eco christian, that belives in man's pollution and corruption,...
Same Tim Mitchell:

“…Although I have yet to see any evidence that climate change is a sign of Christ's imminent return, human pollution is clearly another of the birth pangs of creation, as it eagerly awaits being delivered from the bondage of corruption (Romans. 19-22).
Tim Mitchell works at the Climactic Research Unit, UEA, Norwich, and is a member of South Park Evangelical Church.'

You were saying?

MikeTV

And don't forget our very own pinko homegrown subversives - Boris Johnson and David Cameron, who are forever using their bicycles. Damn commies all of them.