Canon mirrorless

Johnmcl7

True particularly as you can crop a little at the far end but you can't go wider.

snerkler

You'd have to stitch photos

snerkler

Not exactly groundbreaking, single card slot and only UHS-I eek, 5fps if you want it to AF between shots, no IBIS. Still, it's a Canon so I expect it to sell by the millions and outsell all the Sony A7's put together

doug56hl

While the first mention of card is UHS-I, the shots at maximum burst chart (page 7) note UHS-II (High-speed (UHS-II). I'm therefore interpreting High-speed writing is supported when a UHS-I compatible SD card is used as a minimum requirement for high speed writing, not an indication of the cards supported.

wysinawyg

Four RF-mount lenses kick off Canon's new full-frame mirrorless system

The RF 28-70mm F2L USM will cost $2,999 and will be available in December. The RF 24-105mm F4L IS USM will also be available in December for $1099 ($3399 as a kit with the EOS R). The RF 50mm F1.2L USM will cost $2,299 and will start shipping next month, while the RF 35mm F1.8 Macro IS STM will cost $499 and will be available in December.

Ouch @ $3k for the F2 zoom - and a 95mm filter thread!

Canon full-frame mirrorless system debuts with announcement of EOS R

Performance-wise, the EOS R can shoot continuously at 8 fps in AF-S and 5 fps in AF-C 'shooting speed priority' mode. If you want to use 'tracking priority' mode in AF-C the frame rate drops to just 3 fps. The buffer is quite healthy, though, with the ability to save 47 Raw, 78 C-Raw or 100 JPEGs when shooting at full speed with a UHS-II card.

So slow and single UHS-II only - better buffer than the Nikon but a $300 premium over the lower end one.  As with the Nikon arguably better video out than the Sonys (10 bit 4:2:2).

The rumours on AF look to be true though and could be something special:

The new Canon EOS R camera features Dual Pixel CMOS Auto Focus with 5,655 manually selectable AF points[iv], supporting AF at up to f/11 with a 384 zone (24x16) real-time metering system. With f/1.2 lenses, the camera astonishingly boasts AF sensitivity in low light in as little as EV-6.

wysinawyg

Per engadget though still a 1.7x crop in 4K though !!

snerkler

Canon EOS R Digital Camera with 24-105mm f4 IS Kit = £3,269
Canon EOS R Digital Camera with EF Adapter = £2,349
Canon RF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM = £1,119
Canon RF 28-70mm f/2 L USM = £3,049  
Canon RF 35mm f/1.8 IS STM Macro Lens = £519.  
Canon RF 50mm f/1.2 L USM = £2,349


What the fudge, £3049 for a 28-70mm f2, and £2349 for a 50mm prime Give me the Nikon 24-70mm f4 S and 50mm 1.8 S @ £999 and £599 respectively and sod the extra light gathering. The fact is I wouldn't even be willing to pay those Nikon prices, £600 for a 50mm f1.8 when the G version can be had for under £200 The 24-70mm f4 works out much more reasonable if you bundle it with the body, works out at £600 (still not exactly cheap though)

Johnmcl7

It's not just the prices, the 50mm F1.4G is half the size and weight of the 1.8S as well.

I was wrong about the F2 lens though and impressed they've managed to produce that, I'm not that surprised it's so expensive as it must be a difficult lens to produce.  I had to chuckle when I saw the prices as some of the rumours were claiming the trump card for Canon was going to be undercutting the others on price...

Jules

I really don't see the point in this camera.  

There's still no full frame 4K, the 4K still maxes out at 25/30fps, there's no 1080 at 120fps, and there's only 1 card slot.
Oh, and there's still no IBIS.
Its basically a 5D Mark IV without the mirror box that does't take EF lenses without an adapter, and native R mount lenses are going to be hideously expensive too.

So:
- anyone who wants to stick with Canon will see no reason to upgrade.
- people who own lots of EF glass will see the value of their investment plummet as its 'old' and not natively compatible with the 'current'.

The consequence of this is, I think, even more people will switch systems completely.

ok, you get a flippy screen with this new camera, but anyone wanting to switch to mirrorless might aswell just switch to Sony and get a much better featured camera, with a much better sensor, with dual cards AND still save money.

Panasonic I'm sure will do much better, but they'll need time to build up a full frame lens portfolio... unless they play a blinder and make their camera natively EF compatible!!

I'm looking forward to see what Panasonic does, as both Nikon and Canon have made a bit of dogs breakfast of their first efforts.

springtide

... and I thought the Sony FE lenses prices were OTT