Scotland Bans Smacking

Ruperts slippers

Wont work, retroactive discipline doesn't work when the situation in this case is a child dashing across the road.

Reins wont fit a child older than a toddler, so a ridiculous suggestion, some toddlers wont wear them, toddlers can definitely not be reasoned with, toddlers are out of control sometimes.

That's a good suggestion, however, when children decide being outside is fun, especially in a busy town city centre, explaining this amongst the crowds of fellow road crossers is not a good idea.

Personally, I cant remember the last time I had to punish my two girls, despite the split from my ex wife, this is one area we agree on, with me being partially softer. The word no was used from birth and they were trained and disciplined regularly on manners and respect and certainly no bad language, hate hearing children swearing, its appalling. Teaching children is, an on going project for both parent and child.
High jinks and messing about I'm not so fussed about, kids need to feel safe, secure and loved by there parents, even when something inappropriate has happened. However they know when they've over stepped a mark.
This doesn't mean to say I'm not snappy or grumpy on occasion because I am.

doug56hl

[So the only time a child is ever smacked is when they are dashing across the road?

Reins, backback links, and wrist or waist links are available to fit up to age 5. There is this one which can be used for older children The Adventure Belt is can be used as soon as a child becomes a stable walker - right up until their weight reaches 27KG (approx 8 years) amazon.co.uk Adventure-Belt-handsfree-child-keeping It's designed to fit a 2 year old in a t-shirt, and and 8 year old in a coat.

Do the training on a quiet road then. Just like car drivers don't learn 3 point turns or reversing round a corner on a busy road but in quiet backstreet ones.

TheHighFlyingBirds

Obviously the smacking ban didn't apply here for some reason. Joke of a sentence. Woman who left baby brain-damaged avoids jail

Ruperts slippers

I'm sure that was the example being discussed.
Right Thomas, we're off out today to practice walking across a road, when I blow this whistle you will walk, when you reach the other side without stopping or veering, ill give your a treat (A healthy celery stick, I don't want to ruin your tushy pegs). Imagine seeing a parent holding a lead for an 8yr old. Absurd idea.
Children aren't dogs.

doug56hl

Make your mind up. First it's "retroactive discipline doesn't work when the situation in this case is a child dashing across the road." and "Reins wont fit a child older than a toddler"
Then when pointed out that there are products available for children older than toddlers that's an 'absurd idea'

The catch-all name for reins and products of this type is safety harness and for good reason. It can take less than a second for an unrestrained child to bolt out into the road. Not much time to grab them and stop them from coming to harm.

There were 6080 child pedestrian casualities in year ending June 2017 of which 1370 were killed or seriously injured. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/654962/quarterly-estimates-april-to-june-2017.pdf

As for your comment re children aren't dogs.
My DS was hit by a car and died because his dad didn't put his reins on him (or his twin sister), he was in a hurry and thought for a short journey it wouldn't matter...Oh and if anyone says it's like putting them on a lead like a dog, well, would you let your dog run about the streets without a lead
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You ridicule proactive training or safety harnesses.  The only option I'm seeing mentioned as being effective is to smack a child, if necessary, to teach them the lesson that roads are dangerous (but you state "retroactive discipline doesn't work "). You can't smack a child if they are dead.

Ruperts slippers

I haven't ridiculed anything, mine wouldn't wear reins, consequently they walked the non road side when young, I managed that with a pram too. Yes, at times it was farcical, however life with toddlers is often an experience a parent will never forget. Your never ever going to train a toddler to obediently walk or behave like a dog. The suggestion is daft.

Back to the point at hand, discipline of children, you'll never, ever get a toddler to be compliant, now some parents may resort to a short sharp smack, this has been deemed illegal. Will this stop the horrific abuse that children have to suffer day in day out. No. Familial breakdown, has a far greater effect on children being subject to violence and abuse at the hands of broken parents and step parents. Do we encourage family units to stick together, nope we pay parents to separate thru the benefits system. Personally I'm quite lucky, my girls are relatively compliant and they are past the age of using corporal punishment.

However I can see how some may feel they have to. How much discipline do you think these children joining the street gangs have had, non. That's why they'll cut and gut an adult especially someone like yourself in the blink of an eye.

You can quote as many figures as you like, my own personal view is, life is a risk and mitigating that risk is your own personal responsibility. I was taught the green cross code, which basically meant roads, playing near roads wasn't a good idea, not now, not ever.
Now we have 20mph zones. Shifting the liability onto the car driver. I personally I think altruistic motivations take away form the marginal utility of using motor vehicles. Cotton wool generation.

doug56hl

Certainly looks like it to me.
On the one hand you say that children are subject to abuse from broken parents and yet on the other that children joining street gangs haven't had any discipline. You can't have it both ways.  Perhaps they have had a lot of physical violence shown to them when young and so have learned the lesson that violence is a solution and might is right...
And what is a "someone like myself" exactly?

As I live in a locality with one of the lowest levels for violent crime  in the UK  (or any crime for that matter) I can't say I'm too concerned by any risk of coming across these street gangs. Last time I heard the word street gang in my area, it was  "PBR Street Gang this is Almighty, over.."
Now we also have pedestrian zones. Cotton wool generation....

Anyway back on topic. Do you live in Scotland and thus could be affected by the law change, or like others do you instead object to it for unwarranted intrusion into the rights of parents?

IronGiant

Someone who promotes non-violent behaviour?  

It was introduced to a UK based forum, so presumably it was up for discussion?

Sonic67