Britain First. A worrying development.

pragmatic

For a starter There's more here.
British values: article by David Cameron - News stories - GOV.UK

You are correct in saying people and society changes and with it their values, so it can't be a static thing, but it is typically british to consider ourselves not to have definable values.

McCol

I understand the point but what are these British values? They seem to change over time(which is to be expected) and to be honest do we really have that strong values in this country?

Edit - Was typing as you posted link.

Cliff

But you have highlighted the problem here- the slur that maybe one is pandering to the right.
If politicians pussy foot around like channel 4 news presenters, all they are doing is burying their head in the sand.
The extremist problem is very real- needs to be addressed full on and if that means someone will make the odd accusation, then they need rhino hide.
What kind of positive stories would you like to be reported? Unfortunately most Muslim stories in the world in terms of importance are not positive. Generally most reported news is not good, which why News At Ten had the "And finally... "

As for polarization, well the extremists gathered momentum in various parts of the world - culminating in 9/11. We now have Alshabab in East Africa, Boko Haram in Nigeria- spreading to Cameroon, the Taliban, Isal and other groups in Chechnya, China, Philippines etc etc
Sure, Mr Blair's efforts upset and created a cause for home grown groups. But now with social media, there are many young men who see 9/11 as history and are prepared to fight the good fight abroad. When they come home that is when the problems will start.

pragmatic

I think the worrying thing is people believe we don't have strong values but we do.

Take our belief in fair play as an example, one which can be extended to things like contract law in everyday society. Nothing riles the British up more than someone who doesn't play by the rules, a flippant example of that is how annoyed we get when someone pushes in a queue (and the fact we naturally form queues).
This is something that is so ingrained in our society it is uniquely British, further from this we get another value, the so called British reserve.  Do we kick up a stink, get violent? no, we simply tut at worst complain to each other, we often don't want to make a scene.

The best way to see our values, is to contrast with the rest of the world, I think it won't take long to come up with a representative list, one filled with items that make us proud, embarrassed and even feel a bit peculiar.

McCol

Never looked at it in that way if I'm honest and can see your point.  I personally believe that we do have some good strong values in our society but events over the last few years concerning MP's expenses etc etc make me wonder if we will lose some of our reserve in future generations.

BISHI

A million people marched in London against the war in Iraq - indirectly in support of Muslims, the only marching I see Muslims doing in this country is against this countries ideals and for more Islamic ones. What I would like to see is Muslims protesting against that and making it obvious they want to be part of Britain but all I hear Is the odd community leader piping up every time there is an incident. I heard some Bradford lads being interviewed last week about going on jihad to Syria and they were the dumbest sounding tards I had heard in a while, spouting off about fighting the Americans and defending Muslim brothers and sisters - not even realising they would be fighting other Muslims.!

McCol

Almost makes the 4 Lions film look a little ahead of it's time! Think it must be 4/5 years old now.

krish

All these dumb boys are the Four Lions ... am including the Britain First rems too (from that hilarious prang in the Ch4 News piece)

BISHI

This just popped up on my FB feed. I think she shares a few of your opinions P.!

Brigitte Gabriel gives FANTASTIC answer to Muslim woman claiming all Muslims are portrayed badly » The Right Scoop -

namuk

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