Lance Armstrong, is the truth about to out ?

kopchoir

No what i am saying is doping is rife in this sport would it really surprise you to find out Armstrong was roided up??
His team mates were all banned and they say they would testify that he was doped up to.
Also he isnt fighting it,come out with some sob story that they have been after me for ages/or he is fighting a loosing battle he cant win becuase he knows they are right.

johntheexpat

Or does he know that the only way to fight someone with a politcal motive and deep (US Taxpayer funded) pockets is to spend every penny until he is bankrupt?
Which would you rather be?  Wealthy and supported by a majority of people but stripped of your titles, or bankrupt and still being hounded?

All I ask is for them to show us some evidence.

This from the Telegraph rolling story:  (12:16)
So they are going to destroy his name, his reputation & his record right now and present the evidence "in due course"

How is that right or fair in any way?

icstm

L'Equipe, the leading sports daily newspaper in France, published a report Tuesday that said six different urine samples Armstrong provided during the 1999 Tour tested positive for the performance-enhancing drug EPO when examined in 2004 by a French lab fine-tuning EPO testing. The lab tested all the B samples from the 1999 Tour. EPO, which builds endurance, was a banned substance in 1999 but there was no approved test for it.

Of the 12 samples that returned as positive, six came from Armstrong, the story said.

All of the 1999 Tour A samples were used up in that year's testing. Some remnants of the B samples are available, according to L'Equipe.

BUT... two B's are not legally the same as the required A and separate B samples.

So that is probably where the contradictory statements come from. Using today's test he would be found using substances that WERE banned in 1999 but were not tested for.

johntheexpat

So, how come they were caught and he wasn't?  Are they jealous because he got given better, more sophisticated dope that was/is harder to detect and now they want revenge?  I doubt it. What you want us to believe is that everyone in the team was getting doped up but the only one to escape detection was the one with the very highest profile?  I'm sorry, but to me that sounds implausible.

johntheexpat

So effectively he's only failed the drugs test if you retrospectively change the rules about testing?

inzaman

Well as it appears at the moment, and until more information comes out, this is the 'evidence' that could strip Lance of seven tour victories and further damage his reputation - no hard evidence just hearsay so it seems.

Kopchoir seems to have the same mindset as Tygart - no wonder Lance has given up with it

icstm

not the rules, what it appears that today's tests (and those in 2004) are more able to spot dugs that have been banned for many years.

I too am (was?) a huge fan of what LA acheived, but if he cheated, surely that is bad? When Schumi barged Hill off the road and was not penalised, that does not change the fact his 1st WDC was won in a pretty poor way and many would want to see him stripped.

kopchoir

Usada statement says they have '12  witnesses who agreed to testify about their 1st hand experience/knowledge of USPS conspiracy'

Usada says numerous witnesses gave evidence they'd either seen LA dope or he'd told them he had. EPO, HGH, blood transfusions etc

Usada also says it has 'scientific data showing LA's use of blood manipulation including EPO & transfusions in 2009'

Wada statement notes 2 men included in charge r contesting this, their rights may b prejudiced by premature speculation re evidence

If your the greatest cyclist ever a super human as others have attested to then you fight it.
He suggested its him that turned it in-Guilty strip the man

Also why take out an injuction to stop this all very fishy,seems your all blinded by it all

kopchoir

I was always led to believe that samples are kept for years,when new enhacnment comes out they backdate tests.
So no they havent changed the rules just charged him with doping and as you have said in your post he has failed a drugs test?? whats so hard to comprehend

hulkhogan

an interesting statistic i heard on the radio

from the 7 TDF's armstrong won apart from armstrong and 3 other people, all other top 5 finishers have been implicated in this drug scandal.

in every generation there is always a stand out athlete which can raise 20% above his competitors. we have had pele, sampras, federer, woods, messi, bolt, hoy, redgrave etc yet no one has ever pointed the finger there either

until usada release what proof they have this speculation and trial by media of armstrong will sadly continue.