Couple of sensible questions (IMHO)

nheather

So what does Canada    do ?  Genuine question, I'm not entirely sure.  Only heard about it recently and then there was just a brief description.

Cheers,

Nigel

Rasczak

Well in a nutshell the Canada model offers zero tariffs in most areas but has a lower level of access due to regulatory divergence which creates practical barriers. By contrast the Norway model has zero tariffs and high regulatory alignment and thus minimal practical barriers. The latter is best for the UK.

nheather

But I also read that Canada    allows trade deals to be set up outside the EU and that there are no membership fees for the arrangement.  Is that true of the Norway deal?

I also thought that Norway had to sign up to freedom of movement (as did Switzerland) - is that correct or am I mistaken?

Cheers,

Nigel

chopples

Memory may be off with this as it was a few months ago but  I didn't think Canada    would work without a backstop.

cheers

Pacifico

Why?

PaulieW

Same land mass? Don’t make me laugh! A minority that are not from the same land mass are manipulating the whole process to suit their own warped agenda.

nheather

Another genuine question, just checking if my understanding is correct.

There is now a push for Common Market 2.0, Custom Union, Norway  whatever you want to call it.  This will require

1) payment to EU, unknown amount but suggested could be as much as 88% of current
2) abide by EU rules and regulations
3) no MEPs or representation in the EU
4) access to EU trade deals but unable to create our own outside the EU
5) have to sign up to the four freedoms of movement, goods, capital, services and labour
6) may have to sign up to Schengen

If that is right, why would we even consider it.  That is not Brexit, not even close. We would effectively become a vassal state of the EU potentially for very little saving.

MPs and remainers keep telling us that people who voted to leave didn’t know what they were voting for.  Now while I can agree there is an element of truth there, we can be absolutely certain that the above fails to deliver any of the reasons why people chose to vote leave.

Cheers,

Nigel

Rasczak

We won't have to sign up to Schengen at this time, but otherwise that deal would be very beneficial for this country as it offers us continuity. There will be no economic shock and everything will continue as is. We will still have left the EU and therefore met the will of the people as articulated in the referendum so effectively it is a deal both remainers and leavers can get behind.

nheather

The Canada model has mutual recognition of regulators. The Canadian authorities can certify goods as meeting EU standards and vice versa.

There is no significant barrier.

Bl4ckGryph0n

We would have only left the EU if you squint sideways - it is playing semantics.  Instead of being a full controlling member of the EU we would be a vassal state of the EU.

It does not give us control of our borders, it does not give us control of our trade, it does not give us control of our law which you know damn well was what led to the Brexit referendum and what people voted for.

This would be playing games and deliberately cutting off our nose to spite our face.  Deliberately and knowingly making our position worse for trivial saving.

I know you would argue that leaving the EU would put us in a worse position, and it may be the case, but you don’t know that for sure it is pure speculation.  It would be something different, could be worse, could be better.  But this, this would be knowingly and deliberately putting us in a worse position, there is no speculation here, we know exactly what this is and it is worse than where we are at the moment.  To do this would be negligent just for the sake of playing mind games with the people who will be angry and betrayed.

Cheers,

Nigel