Anne Marie Morris MP (Conservative) - Stay or Go?

Jezza99

As he is not an elected politician, I'm struggling to see the relevance.

la gran siete

he doesnt have to be but he has made some rather deeply unpleasant comments himself some of them of a racist nature

IronGiant

Clutching at straws a bit there, the two incidents aren't really in any way comparable.

Sonic67

More on the P word from earlier in the thread.

Kitson I've seen a few times in stand up. He's very left wing himself. As I'm on his mailing list I wonder if his next email will mention this.

Daniel Kitson can’t reclaim a racist word he’s never been the target of | Nosheen Iqbal

Toko Black

Not a particular fan of Kitson, but a comedian using satire and irony to juxtapose comfortable normalised ideas and memories with less savory and socially unacceptable behaviours in an effort to confront, challenge and make us think about ourselves while laughing is rather different from an MP or authority figure using inappropriate language or rhetoric for political purposes.

It's all context.

It is sometimes justifiable to use socially unacceptable language when it is the actual object of discussion for educational, academic or artistic purpose.
It is never justifiable when the use of socially unacceptable language is used as a pejorative without understood satire, even through ignorance, but especially when known to be by the user and/or audience.
It is ill advisable/risky to use socially unacceptable language as a pejorative when your audience doesn't necessarily understand or isn't clear that it's satire, but it's a grey area.

krish

iirc Kitson's best known for shunning his work as Spencer on Phoenix Nights and being slated for it in the DVD commentary

Jezza99

Never heard of the bloke before, but he sounds like a right sanctimonious, virtue-signalling ****.

Bl4ckGryph0n

I'm shocked to hear what that journalist/columnist had to go through. Blimey England was proper sh*t wasn't it. Other than travelling through the south of US with my best mate (originally from Suriname) never experienced or witnessed anything like that in the 17 countries I lived in.

krish

@dejongj it was a fact of life for most British Asians of around my age and older, so you can see how we feel about that word.

My mum told me of the time around 72/73 she was pushing me around in the pram and working briefly as an 'Avon Lady' (selling Avon's products door to door) - there was both verbal abuse and spitting.

I was the only Asian and non-white at school, for most of my schooling in my Suffolk home town, so usually the first target of choice for unimaginitive bullies. There were also quite a few 'skinheads' with their ridiculous schtick.

Physically I was mostly pretty good at defending myself. My favourite move was when someone jumped me from behind, I'd usually manage to throw them over, especially painful for them when facing the lockers. With multiple assailants I'd probably not be so lucky, but it generally didn't go too far (by today's standards it probably did).

Bl4ckGryph0n

Thank you and sorry. I don't think I can ever begin to imagine what it truly must have been like. Such and alien concept. I'm not totally naive, but the extend to what was going on in the UK is shocking.