Author: nabby

What social class would you put yourself into?

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26-11-2019 00:14:41 Mobile | Show all posts
Sure if you can’t afford it then you choose to spend your money elsewhere. Seems a perfectly sensible choice. But I am seriously struggling what that has to do with your class.

What’s next a BMW 7 series is a symbol of a class system as well? To me all it means is that you choose to spend your money on a BMW 7 series.

Where does it end?

I’m sorry but to me these are simply choices as to what to spend your money on. Has nothing to do with your perceived class.

But feel free to enlighten, Name five examples of where class is impacting your daily life. All I’m hearing is examples of how much money you have. Is that it?

But I agree on one thing; you are correct I am not looking for it. You are absolutely right about that. It is totally meaningless to me how I interact with other people. And whether it is for them, well that is their choice.
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26-11-2019 00:14:41 Mobile | Show all posts
The difference between 'peasant' and 'first class' Hull  London is about the same as what I spend at the buffet car on the Journey.


This must be one of the reasons poor people are more prone to obesity?
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26-11-2019 00:14:41 Mobile | Show all posts
Again, you seem to be failing to comprehend the fact that not everyone has the financial ability to simply choose to buy a first class ticket or a 7 series BMW?

What would you call someone who lives in a council estate, relying on benefits and regularly visiting food banks?  Are they simply choosing not to have luncheon at a Michelin star restaurant or would they be bracketed as “lower class” because of their situation?
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26-11-2019 00:14:41 Mobile | Show all posts
Like it or not, there is still a wealth-based class system in the U.K.  The fact you don’t see that means you’re probably not at the bottom looking up.
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26-11-2019 00:14:42 Mobile | Show all posts
I should probably add that I was born in Liverpool and lived on an estate called Norris Green which was essentially a mix of benefit claimants, drug addicts and drug dealers.  My parents both worked for Merseyside Police and worked hard (generally arresting most of the neighbours!).  When my brother was 12 and in his second year at high school, one of the other kids brought a loaded handgun in to the school which lead to armed police arriving.  After that, my parents made the decision to move away (my mum was born in the house we lived in) and we moved across the mersey to the wirral.  The town we moved to wasn’t wealthy or what I’d call upper class but it was safe and gave me and my brother another chance.  We both then worked hard and I’m now married with 2 kids, living in a 3 bed semi and working in IT, my wife is an nhs nurse.  

Whilst my parents made a decision to move us, many many more of my classmates weren’t in a position to do so and I’d guess that many of them are now either in prison or dead.  

My point is that I’d class myself as somewhere between working class (where I came from) and middle class, where I am now.  I don’t see myself ever moving into upper class as I have neither the wealth nor the family heritage to mix in those circles (or would want to for that matter!).
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26-11-2019 00:14:42 Mobile | Show all posts
I would suggest that it is because you weren't brought up as a child here and have lived and worked in particularly middle class environments which are generally less aware or exposed to working class conditions, especially at the bottom end.

I was brought up in a middle class family and went into a middle class profession.
We holidayed in the South of France, parents had dinner parties and family country walks and picnics most Sundays.
Grew up in a village with nothing but fields behind the house and woods to play in.
I had no idea(to a point of it being obvious) that other kids weren't so lucky until I was in my teens and at secondary school.

One of my best mates at school lived in a house less than half the size of ours and had to share a bedroom with his two brothers, one older and one younger.
I had the top of the range trainers and ski jackets for school, along with Jaeger/Pringle/Lyle and Scott jumpers, he had to make do with mostly hand me downs from his brother.
When I got fed up with my drop handle racing bike and went onto mountain biking, it was a year before he was able to get a mountain bike and join the rest of us 'off the road'.

Had I chosen to attend a private school, I would most likely not have met that friend and would have been primarily mixing with children from a similar background - although I didn't want to go there because friends from the village school were going elsewhere, which is where I got my own way into attending.

When I was working, it was a case of socialising with people who had black tie Company Christmas parties at prestiguous hotels, wine bars and bistros, up market clubs and 'gastro pubs'.

Like many places in the UK, there is usually 'the other end of town' or places much like it where the shops aren't as boutique, the pubs are grubbier and the bus stops primarily serve council estates.

If you really want to understand and experience what working class means, then book a cheap bed and breakfast in Blackpool, use the bus and travel between there and Lytham St Annes and note the differences in shops, people, pubs, converstations, entertainment and eating.

There is nothing essentially wrong or bad with being working class, it's just a case of if you have the choice between living a middle class lifestyle in a middle class area or working class lifestyle in a working class area and you have experienced both, most sane people would be choosing 'middle class' - it's like a different world.

Note: I could transcribe the conversations and comments I hear at the bus stops, on buses and in the local councils estate areas and you would notice immediately how different it is to what you experience elsewhere.
There are plenty of lovely, kind and nice people around here, but there is also a far higher concentration of ignorant, racist biggots and simpletons that means I would have to bleep out a considerable amount of what comes out of their mouths.
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26-11-2019 00:14:42 Mobile | Show all posts
I would suggest you need to review the assumptions you make and actually read the responses in this thread. I think you’ll find that you are very very wrong in what you assume.
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26-11-2019 00:14:42 Mobile | Show all posts
Totally agree, I’ve had it many a time where my 1st class ticket on Virgin to Liverpool was like £10 apart from 2nd class. So no need to pay for or bring my own breakfast and dinner, nor drinks and snacks.
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26-11-2019 00:14:44 Mobile | Show all posts
I’m working class then. There you go gone from Elite to Working Class in one post. Does it make any difference to mine or anyone else’s life’s? Nope.
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26-11-2019 00:14:44 Mobile | Show all posts
Ok so to you it is all based upon wealth? Is it wealth, or is it affordability? I mean your example seem to be more regarding affordability or having to make a choice, actual wealth is something very different.

And is it a bad think that not everyone makes the same choice in what services they want or desire? I don’t think it is, as such I don’t see how it impacts me that someone else is more wealthy and others are less wealthy than me. Although talking about ones wealth to find that out is on my list of non-classy things to do. And it is a good example of why, because it doesn’t matter.
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